nb3 (mac) : GUI : value access : move or click?

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thoolb

30 Nov, 2013 01:24 AM

I wish the GUI would separate the 'click' from the 'move' areas / or react less sensitve on moves / in the text fields to enter values.

NodeBox reacts quite quick on mouse/user action in the value fields. When using a pen&tablet (instead mouse) unfortunately I am not able to 'click only' on one of the arrows without moving the cursor slightly. So it might happen that a click on a LEFT ARROW does move the cursor to the right slightly and encreases the value to the RIGHT - instead of reducing it.

It might be useful to strictly separate this two areas from each other: Arrows for click only.

Also I struggle when I double-click a value (to alter it via keyboard). It needs several double clicks to get the value highlighted (to type a new value) – instead highlighting it the value gets encreased/reduced. And, NodeBox reacts quite quick, I need to wait that the preview window gets update before I might enter/type a desired value.

  1. 1 Posted by gustaf on 01 Dec, 2013 06:42 PM

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    This is very similar to what i reported in the bug tracker just a few days ago. Why dont you drop a comment there with your experience to show that theres more than one loonie with a wacom pen ;)

    https://github.com/nodebox/nodebox/issues/361

  2. Support Staff 2 Posted by Frederik De Ble... on 02 Dec, 2013 09:14 AM

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    Good point! We could definitely separate those out and make the arrows click-only. Thanks for pointing it out.

    I've added an issue that tracks this:

    https://github.com/nodebox/nodebox/issues/365

    Best,

    Frederik

  3. 3 Posted by thoolb on 02 Dec, 2013 05:33 PM

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    Ah, Frederik, thank you for such fast response and for taking it over to github. Meanwhile there it's closed, so I write here again:

    I would prefer to CLICK ONLY on ARROWS, no drag on arrows at all, please! Reason:
    The arrows fortunately support also clicks with option- and command-key hold down (for desicmal or ten jumps /sorry, bad english). So I want to use the arrows for precise setting. Whereas the drag method is good for fast and rough jumps. But, also, there seems to be something "wrong": See last paragraph in first message.

    @ Gustav & github: I am aware of that site, and also about the direct link from nodebox. I just don't undestand how to handle this. – It's not just register and write, right? (And, why doesn't it just accept my registration for this forum?)

  4. 4 Posted by gustaf on 02 Dec, 2013 05:44 PM

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    it should just be register and write, that is if you want to open a new ticket for bugs/suggestions.

    There is probably a bit of an overlap between a bug tracker and a forum on a piece of software that is so specialised and used by developeresque people, but in my opinion (im really new to nodebox) the forum should have discussions/questions about nodebox and github is for reporting bugs or specific requests for improvement. (please correct me if Im wrong here, Frederik)

    Gusty

  5. Support Staff 5 Posted by Frederik De Ble... on 03 Dec, 2013 10:16 AM

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    You're welcome to report bugs or suggest features both on GitHub and here on the forum: we read both. Normally, if something comes up in the forum I will make a GitHub issue out of it (or several issues!)

    The fix makes the arrows click-only: you can't drag on them anymore. We still have to make a release with this new fix, though. This will come in the coming days/weeks.

    As for the double-click to type: this is also related to using a Wacom pen I guess? With a mouse double-clicking auto-selects the number so you can overwrite it. I'm not sure if I can control the "sloppiness" of the double-click, so to speak :-)

  6. 6 Posted by gustaf on 03 Dec, 2013 10:36 AM

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    seems to be a "common" problem with wacom users. Maybe this can help?

    http://conditionpink.net/tag/drag-sensitivity

  7. Support Staff 7 Posted by Frederik De Ble... on 03 Dec, 2013 11:06 AM

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    Thanks for the post! I've added an issue that tracks this:

    https://github.com/nodebox/nodebox/issues/369

  8. 8 Posted by thoolb on 03 Dec, 2013 08:47 PM

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    I'm not sure if I can control the "sloppiness" of the double-click, so to speak :-)

    Besides Gustafs link: Could you check please if there is something wrong in these text/value fields at least visually: I see two cursors when a single cursor got placed somewhere within/infrontof/behind an existing value:

    One long vertical stroke (with the height of the field) and another, much shorter, blinking. The shorty becomes more obvious if you move a placed cursor with the arrow keys: The placed cursor remains (the long stroke) and the tiny one moves and blinks. – A redraw issue?
    [ The most weird thing (redraw issue?) was recently this: I had the cursor placed behind a value but still moving the mouse (pen) still changed the object in the preview window but the shown value in the field remained at the same numbers. ( I had this only once, but it had happened) ]

    Also it would help if the user could change values with arrow keys up/down to enlarge/reduce the value. (I had read this somewhere for a NB version, don't remember where. It appears not to work).

    So, my suggestions are:

    • move with mouse down over text/value –> value changes (slider)
    • first single mouse down (click) on text/value –> select all (highlight) **
    • second single click (no move) over text/value –> place cursor at this position **
    • arrow keys up/down when a cursor got placed –> enlarge/reduce value
    • arrow keys left/right when a cursor got placed –> move cursor left/right
    • arrow buttons left/right –> enlarge/reduce value
    • arrow buttons or keys AND command/option/shift keys hold –> change value in tens or singles or tenths or hundreths (sorry, lack in english – try it and see, it seems to work already ;)

    ** these should NOT work vice versa, because to just encrease/decrease the value you can use the arrow buttons and/or keys. So, a click on the value will mean you want to type a new, totally different value <– therefore a single click should already highlite, and another single click on highlighted text would place the cursor.

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